Confirmed Negativity Condition?

I’ve heard over the years that people with eating disorders commonly tend to have a very negative mindset.  In particular, I’ve heard about Peggy Claude-Pierre’s hypothesis that Confirmed Negativity Condition (CNC) is a condition that all sufferers of Anorexia Nervosa also have.  It is not limited to Anorexia, it also occurs in depression, agoraphobia, panic disorder, OCD, somatic disorders to name a few.

To me that makes sense, given that all these illnesses are characterised by negativity, self-blaming, anxiety, etc.

CNC is used to explain the constant voice or voices in the mind that we have, that one that interprets everything negatively, that tells us how awful we are, or coerces us into harming ourselves in some way. It’s sole reason, Claude-Pierre said, was to destroy us.

Bargaining – do you do that? I do. Feeling unworthy? Yup. Punishing myself? Been there, done that, always have in some way. All of these, the author says, also are part of CNC.

I don’t know what my opinion of CNC really is yet. I would have to read a lot more about it first. I did read The Secret Language of Eating Disorders back in the late ’90s, sadly I threw the book away because I felt guilty for having read it. A lot of what was said hit home hard for me – and yet, at that stage, I was heavily in denial about having anorexia. I also felt guilty because of how lovely the sufferers were described as, and I didn’t feel lovely – so I had to destroy this book. I wish I hadn’t done that, because I can’t find a copy any more.

I strongly relate to things like this:

“Anorexic-minded children will want to create perfection and, given that beauty and accomplishment are highly valued, they are often attracted to such things as gymnastics and modeling. Yet the drive for perfection is not so much for personal gratification, but that they want to improve the world, or think there will be less pain. They take on the responsibilities of the world, without understanding that they cannot manage it. They tend to think that they should handle everything, so the condition is essentially a breakdown from overburdening themselves. Such a distorted perception probably starts at a very early age, but by the time symptoms appear the victims can no longer deal with their perceived inadequacy, and relinquish the right to live” (source)

And I say “YES, YES, YES!” to this:

“The suffering that they go through is something that nobody can relate to. Anorexics worry about everyone else – not themselves – and when they realize that they can’t fix everything, then they begin to feel worthless. That negative self-image is so powerful that victims simply stop eating. These unusually sensitive people realize that they cannot solve the world’s problems and collapse into self-loathing. Anorexia is really an unconscious attempt at suicide because the victims don’t believe that they deserve to live. There is a negative mind-set that convinces them that they have to die. It is a complex and devious, deep mind-set. The victim’s mind is able to construct such negativity against themselves so that the patient actually has a civil war going on in their head” (source)

This was so true for me, and still is to some extent. It could have been written about me.

But Claude-Pierre goes on to say that all anorexics are using the eating disorder as a slow form of suicide:

“In the most simple terms, Claude-Pierre believes that eating disorders stem from an extreme ‘negative mind-set,’ which may be present even at birth. Anorexics and bulimics, she says, want to make everything right. When they realize they cannot, they turn their sense of worthlessness inward in an unconscious attempt at suicide. ‘Anorexia isn’t about thinness,’ says Claude-Pierre. ‘It’s about death. Victims starve themselves in order to disappear.’ But anorexia and bulimia can be completely reversed, she believes…” . A former professional ballet dancer who “had been around cases of anorexia and bulimia for years,” renders the self-killing aspect of anorexia as rendered by Claude-Pierre in a lecture she had attended:

She spoke about the helplessness and hopelessness that people suffering from anorexia and bulimia face every day. Most of  them enter one treatment program after another, yet are still not cured of their eating disorder. Peggy described how she discovered that it is not the desire to lose weight, but the desire to literally not BE, that causes someone to starve themselves of food. (source)

This was totally true for me.  I lack a sense of self worth – food is symbolic of that for me, as well as being something that I have a screwed up relationship with. I did not ever engage in my eating disorder with the conscious decision to die – at least not initially. But as the years passed, I realised that was actually my intention – to die. I hated myself, and I couldn’t see a life in which I would ever be free of the disorder, ever be at peace in myself, and I was SO tired. I had nothing left to give or fight with.

And I didn’t have the courage to live.

But I didn’t have the courage to kill myself, either. So I chose limbo – the not living, not dead state that my eating disorder kept me in.

I also believe that choosing neither to live, nor die, was me fighting it in a roundabout way – there is such a deep self-loathing and sense of ‘not good enough, not worthy to pollute this earth with my self’ – there was always this constant, unspoken but nevertheless STRONG drive to self-destruct – to wipe myself off the very face of the earth. Like a cockroach being stomped on.

I do believe Claude-Pierre makes a heck of a lot of sense with what she says about the CNC and why we think the way we do, blaming ourselves, hating ourselves, catastrophising… but at the same time, I also think she could just be grouping together a bunch of symptoms common to people with eating disorders and giving them her own name. Pretty much all these symptoms are acknowledged already by the psychiatric field – not grouped together into a condition all on their own as CNC does – but then again – the truth is, every single person with an eating disorder is so different, I find myself doubting that CNC could actually be true for every single one of us with an eating disorder.

That’s why I’d like to hear YOUR opinions. Do you fully relate to CNC,  or not at all? Or a bit? And have you ever read the book “The Secret Language of Eating Disorders”?

Thank you to Icanhascheezburger and failfunnies for the Images :)  

18 thoughts on “Confirmed Negativity Condition?

  1. Angela says:

    Personally, I think Peggy Claude Pierre is a pompous, patronising and power-hungry glamazon. Her so called ‘knowledge’ does not actually (did you know?) come from research, studies, OR best practice, but from her own exerience in her cult-like clinic that eventually closed down because she held herself up as some kind of god to the suffering girls who went there for ‘treatment’. She emotionally abused and guilt-tripped them. She also lied about being qualified to even treat them, she had none of the degrees she claimed to have either. I also think, like you say, Fi that her ‘CNC’ IS just a ‘grouping together a bunch of symptoms common to people with eating disorders and giving them her own name’ – giving it an official-sounding name gives her more credibility than she deserves. Sure, i agree that there is a heck of a lot of negativity in the anorexic mindset, but CNC is not a researched condition. I also do not think it is ALWAYS about slow suicide – sure it can be for some (and I understand that it was for you, and Im sure many others) but it just isn’t that simple. I have NEVER wanted to die. I’ve felt all the self-loathing and disgust with myself and blaming myself for everything, catastrophising and feeling negative about a lot of things…but a wish for death was not at the bottom of it. A wish to be a better ME was. So i don’t like Peggy’s notion that we’re all secretly trying to die. With all my heart, I wish that you weren’t because you are like a precious and rare diamond. And I don’t think Peggy is worth your time…take what is true for you from what she says by all means because there is some truth to it… But take it with a grain of salt…she’s just talking from her own experience…without having EVER actually had an eating disorder herself, by the way…it is SECOND-HAND experience.
    I love you dearly darling girl. Goodnight and sweet dreams.. xoxoxoxoxox

    • Angela says:

      By the way, YOU are more qualified to talk about this stuff than SHE is.

    • Fiona says:

      Hello sweet Ange :) Thank you so much for this comment – I appreciate your honesty. As you know, the clinic I went to for 18 months years back was based around CNC. I still don’t know what to really think – they did keep me alive and out of hospital for that time. But I came away from there more unwell and more broken than I had ever, ever been, absolutely unable to trust.
      I have since been ‘hushed’ every time I’ve ventured to say something honest about my experience there – I know they did save the lives of quite a few people. But not everything works for everyone – that’s the absolute truth, and that they spring to quieten those who didn’t have a good experience – that says a lot to me!
      I do relate strongly to what Peggy wrote about – all those thought patterns, that voice, that self blame etc. But I can also find other ways they have already been identified. For example, catastrophising, very commonly explained in CBT practice.
      It’s true that many of us only have our own experience to offer – I do have to give Peggy a lot of credit as she’s helped her own two daughters and many many other people. But yes, you are so right – the BEST person qualified to speak about our experience is US. Who LIVE it.
      Do you identify with any of the thought patterns described, Ange? Love you dearly too xxx

  2. Anorexia Tips says:

    i had a eating disorder and it’s mentally agonizing.

  3. For me, the battle was mostly between my ears. I needed to replace the harmful thoughts with healthy ones. My journey brought me to the cross of Christ. Here I learned a new set of thoughts:

    “Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind…” Romans 12:2

    We are what we think. I no longer buy many of the magazines I used to when I was still in ED. Now I love the things I did before I was sick – gardens, decor & art! Good to be free! Wishing it for all my dear sisters on this planet. ~ Wendy

    • Fiona says:

      Hello Wendy. I totally agree that the battle IS mostly in our heads. The weight/food stuff, it’s only really the symptoms of what is going on within. I’m glad, so glad that Christ helped you fight your way back.
      I love that scripture. I also find peace in the armor of God (Ephesians 6 10:17) – I picture myself putting it on in defence against the lies that the enemy flings at me:

      10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

      I picture myself also, flinging those lies, which are like flaming arrows – to God – and they are extinguished in a fire of TRUTH :)

      I love how you have nurtured the YOU parts of you – so you can love what really is special to you. So much of us gets lost to the ED – often I feel like I’m nothing now. It makes it all the harder to come back from it, because you literally have to start again from scratch and ‘make’ a new person. But I remember, it’s not make first time, it’s rebuild. And I can be rebuilt better and stronger, can’t I? I know Jesus can do that.

      I’m so glad to hear you are on the way to freedom :)

  4. Yes I think there’s a lot of truth in CNC…I went through most of my life with an undercurrent of negativity because of recurrent depression. I had times of joy and feeling good but it was still there ready to surface when yet again my mood swings and depression would rear it’s ugly head. I think some would have described me as being too serious. I do believe because I know, that it is possible to recover with the right support and in my case my belief in God…I know many may have to take medication and even therapy for their life because of chemical imbalances within the brain, but I believe in hope and in recovery…Diane

    • Fiona says:

      I really do believe there are lots of common threads in depression and eating disorders, even though people with one don’t always have the other. There are those thoughts there, that negativity, that tendency for everything to be experienced through a murky filter. You truly give me hope, Diane, your journey has been amazing and I’m so glad that you are here today to share so much with so many. I believe in hope and recovery too. I find it hard to believe in the recovery bit for myself, but I have to remind myself – if I can SEE that it’s possible for others, then it MUST be possible for me too, right? Bless you :)

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  6. I was never ever EVER depressed in my ENTIRE LIFE until I had an eating disorder. I now know what it is like to be truly sad. I was upset at everything. I snapped at myself. I snapped at my (now ex) husband. I didn’t want to see my friends. I didn’t want to leave the house. I hated everybody.

    If you’ve ever been around me in my life you would know that I am the happiest, most confident, optimistic person on the planet. Really. It doesn’t get any more positive than me. I am convinced the world is made of rainbows, glitter and unicorns. I adore everyone. I love life. I love myself.

    I was not me at all when I was deep in my disorder. I have no idea who I was. It’s no wonder my husband cheated on me. I mean, I’m not defending his actions a ALL as I was healing and progressing greatly toward the end of our marriage, but I can see how I was unpleasant to be around.

    So there must be truth in this.

    • Fiona says:

      I love (quietly) reading your blog because that postivity and optimism comes across, and your life is NOT totally hunky dory but your perspective is like, well this has happened, how can I deal with it and keep on living my life? Or that’s how it comes across. You make me smile, and it’s hard to not like you, too hard – so I like you :)
      I’m glad you have been able to see that this negative, depressed person you were when deeply in your ED was NOT YOU. And know that you don’t want to be that person and that it’s worth fighting the disorder to not slip back into that again.
      You aren’t alone though – I think the majority of people with ED do suffer depression, if they don’t already have it, it’s caused by the malnutrition.
      I’m so glad you are YOU again now. Keep on fighting it :)

  7. iamnotshe says:

    This is important info, my sweet lil sis!!! I whole-heartedly see this in my “condition”. What next my wee friend!?!?!! Blasted!

    I love the picture of the kitty saying “oh death”. That’s Mel in a cat suit! ;-) xoxo

    • Fiona says:

      Hahaha I loved that kitty too, so dramatic!! I don’t think it’s you in a cat suit at all, Melis. No. You are usually such a positive let’s GO LIVE person. At the moment you are simply more unwell – and sadly that’s life – we go up, we come down.. it’s a rollercoaster, hang on for dear life!!
      These were all, ARE all, part of me too – but I think that it’s more than CNC – I think a lot of it is learned through life or at least, confirmed through life.
      Lots of love to you – thinking of you and praying hard, hold on tight dear sis xoxox

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